Police & Collaborative Working: We Stand Together

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    • 00:11

      UMER KHAN: I am Umer Khan, Chief Inspector of Greater ManchesterPolice [Umer Khan, Chief Inspector, Manchester Police]My areas of responsibilities include neighborhood policingand cohesion in the community.I have grown up in Greater Manchester,coming here as a migrant 11-year-old growing up in old[INAUDIBLE]Salem, How are you doing, you OK?

    • 00:28

      BOY: Yeah.

    • 00:29

      BOY: Yeah.

    • 00:29

      UMER KHAN: Mashallah.Have you guys been fasting?(ALL BOYS) Yes.

    • 00:31

      UMER KHAN: That's good.So what's it like living in Scotland?

    • 00:34

      BOY: It is good.

    • 00:35

      UMER KHAN: Is it good?Yeah.

    • 00:36

      BOY: Yeah.

    • 00:36

      UMER KHAN: Manchester, for me, was a unique experienceas a child growing up, learning about different cultures,different language, really.And since then, I also love Manchester becauseof its diversity and richness.So you guys playing football now, yeah?

    • 00:49

      BOY: Yeah.

    • 00:50

      UMER KHAN: What you guys going to be?Who is going to join the police when you grow up?

    • 00:53

      BOY: He wants to be officer.

    • 00:54

      UMER KHAN: Yeah, it's good, mashallah.It's good.It's good for me.

    • 00:57


    • 00:60

      UMER KHAN: In the early parts of 2000,we had the Northern riots, which were all about communitiesliving polarized lives and parallel lives, really.Where people felt that there was a [INAUDIBLE] situations,really, that led to some of the riotsand some of the breakdown in society, really.

    • 01:20

      UMER KHAN [continued]: Over the last three years, I havebeen involved in managing over 20 far-right demonstrationsin Greater Manchester from far-right groups targeting,in particular, the Muslim and the Jewishand the various other communities.I've also seen extremism where faiths and communities have

    • 01:41

      UMER KHAN [continued]: come to loggerheads in terms of what's happened in the MiddleEast last year.We had the pro-Palestinian and the pro-Israeli protestin the heart of the Manchester City Centerthat really divided the community.Throughout the summer, every day,we had to deploy a great deal of policing resources to it.We were in the middle of two groups who would not

    • 02:01

      UMER KHAN [continued]: listen and budge in terms of their narrativethat was being played out.So what I've experienced is that when people get into entrenchedviews, often, it's very difficult to engagein dialogue with them.

    • 02:17

      SIR PETER FAHY: That's really where are idea of our "We StandTogether' campaign came from really.["We Stand Together'] That we could put out more armedofficers and more patrols and more security. [Sir Peter Fahy,Chief Constable, Greater Manchester Police] Or,actually, the best safeguard was by bringing communitiestogether and having those open conversations.

    • 02:33

      UMER KHAN: Today, we have the membersfrom our Christian faith, our Jewish, our Hindus, our Sikhs,and various other faiths and nonfaithswho are coming to observe the practice of fasting,and see how the Muslim community undertake the month of fasting.This is an initiative to show that the community hereare very open.

    • 02:54

      UMER KHAN [continued]: They're very welcoming.And they're looking to promote cohesionby inviting other people into the mosque groundsand sharing what the faith is all about, which is about peaceand sharing food and hospitality.

    • 03:05

      USMAN NAWAZ: That's bring people togetherto talk about who they are, what they believe in,to celebrate their diversity, and to celebratewhat we have in common. [Usman Nawaz,"We Stand Together' steering group]We're not saying that everybody is the same.We're not saying that everybody should be the same.What we're saying is that everybody's diversityought to be respected.

    • 03:22

      UMER KHAN: Communities often huddle together.And you get people-- the Muslim people live in a Muslim areaand in the Muslim community.The Jewish people live in a Jewish areaand the Jewish community.And vice versa, we get the Sikh communities.And naturally, as the expression goes, birds of a featherflock together.And I see that around Greater Manchester and nationally.

    • 03:42

      UMER KHAN [continued]: So the "We Stand Together' reallyis about communities coming out of their comfort zones,linking and engaging with one another.

    • 03:52

      USMAN NAWAZ: [SPEAKING ARABIC] Peace be upon you all.Welcome to the Golden Mosque.Thank you, everybody, for joining uson this beautiful day where the Muslims in the roomhaven't eaten or drank in the last 18 hours or so.Just another couple hours to go, and then we all, as they say,break bread together.For some of you, this might be the first time

    • 04:13

      USMAN NAWAZ [continued]: that you've come into a mosque in the Islamic Cultural Center.So you'll be shown the main prayer halland from the balcony as well, where the prayers take place."We Stand Together" is the hashtag for those of youwho want to live tweet this event.

    • 04:33

      SPEAKER 1: [CHANTING IN ARABIC]13th verse of the 49th chapter of the Holy Quran.And that translates as "All mankind,we've created you from a male and a female

    • 04:54

      SPEAKER 1 [continued]: and made you into peoples and tribesso that you might come to know one another.The noblest among you in Allah's sightis the most righteous of you.Indeed, Allah is the all-knowing and the all-aware.Surely, God Almighty has spoken the truth."

    • 05:10

      SIR PETER FAHY: The campaign "We Stand Together'came after the attacks in Paris and Copenhagenthat we felt it was much better to bring people together,and that we felt we'd been too passive in termsof the diversity of Manchester.Being prepared to celebrate diversity,to say diversity is a good thing, the fact that we're alldifferent is a good thing, it's a strength.And it's about stressing what unites us.

    • 05:31

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: But at the same time, being willing to beopen about some of the issues which do cause tensions.

    • 05:36

      MUHAMMAD SHABBIR SIALVI: I want to begin, firstof all, as Head Imam of this mosque and Islamic CulturalCenter, by welcoming every single one of youinto the [INAUDIBLE] and I hope that thisis a thoroughly productive exchange

    • 05:58

      MUHAMMAD SHABBIR SIALVI [continued]: and that this is one of many to come in the future.I'm proud, as imam of Golden Mosque, that in many waysand on many occasions, we at Golden Mosquehave paved the way within our community, in particular,within the Muslim community, in terms of community cohesion.One of the greatest statements of our prophet--

    • 06:20

      MUHAMMAD SHABBIR SIALVI [continued]: [SPEAKING ARABIC]"Spread peace and Salam and feed people."And this was part of bringing people closer to the religion.We can put in this work and the effortand get together and, hopefully, reapthe rewards of our exchange.

    • 06:38

      SIR PETER FAHY: We want this to be a lot more profound.We want it to encourage discussion.We want it to, particularly, to encourage discussion in schoolsand colleges.And we'd like to get more academic textbehind the research in favor of diversity.Why does it particularly work in the city,where in other parts of the world, it's more troubled?So we want it to be a much more profound campaign

    • 07:01

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: in terms of stressing that benefit of diversity.You can't really be passively anti-racist.You actually have to go out and do things.You actually have to make an effortto understand another culture, to speak to those peopleyou have perhaps not spoken to.

    • 07:14

      UMER KHAN: Get some nice food.Invite some people around.Have your food.Have those conversations.And that's, since during the eventthat we did at the Golden Mosque, that'swhat we saw in play.FR.

    • 07:25

      PAUL DALY: And I've tried to make that part of my prayerseveryday, and praying for the peace of the world.Because if there's one way that wecan make a difference-- besides all the wonderful thingsof witness and of outreach and service--it's that we are surely all, if we are believers in God,we're believers in the power of prayer.

    • 07:48

      PAUL DALY [continued]: I decided what I do for this month of Ramadanis I would begin to read the Quran.There's this wonderful verse, verse 62."Surely are those who believe arethose who are Jews and the Christiansand the Sabeans who ever believesin Allah, and the Last Day and does good,they have their reward with their Lord.

    • 08:09

      PAUL DALY [continued]: And there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."I think that says everything.

    • 08:15

      SIR PETER FAHY: No good just dealing with hate crimeafter it's happened.You've got to be proactive.You've got to try and get into the roots of prejudiceand hatred.You've got to try and identify people who may havethose sorts of perverted views.Perhaps, through poor upbringing,ignorance, or because they live a very sheltered life in oneparticular community and don't make any effortto understand others.

    • 08:36

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: So campaigns, which actually strengthen cohesion,which bring different groups together,which increase understanding are vital to reducing hate crime.

    • 08:44

      SPEAKER 2: And we're all neighbors.And we're all fellow human beings.We all just want to live life and have a peaceful lifeand live life to the full, each in our own way.In the way we understand to be the right thing.And to respect our neighbors and other communities and the waythey do things, each in their own way.That's the right way for them.That's the right way for us.And what we want to do is live in peace and harmony.And having a gathering like this tonight-- and please God,

    • 09:06

      SPEAKER 2 [continued]: inshallah, there should be many other gatherings-- isthe perfect way to be able to achieve that respectand harmony, which would take away so much of the strifethat there is in the world.

    • 09:16

      USMAN NAWAZ: The message of peace, love, and harmonythat the congregation gets from this mosqueand the other Sufis, Suni mosques-- not only in Rochdale,but right across the country and right across the world--is really testament to the fact that 1.6 billion Muslimsin the world don't subscribe to a tiny number of people, who

    • 09:38

      USMAN NAWAZ [continued]: are members of what, I think we'd all agree,is a satanic state and not an Islamic state-- in any senseof the word.I think what "We Stand Together' really bringsis an aspiration for all communities,diverse backgrounds, members from right across culturesand all creeds to really come together and say that we stand

    • 10:02

      USMAN NAWAZ [continued]: together in the face of all evils,in the face of all common ills, and to createa strong cohesive community and society for everyone.This [INAUDIBLE] here at the mosque this eveningof communities coming together to literally breakbread and share food is a direct antidote to,I think, to some of the evils that we

    • 10:22

      USMAN NAWAZ [continued]: have in our society of racism and discrimination.To say, you know what?A Muslim imam, a Christian priest, a Jewish rabbi,members of the Hindu and the Sikh communitiesand Baha'I communities can all come togetherin one faith institution, in one house of God.

    • 10:42

      UMER KHAN: British policing, it's built on the principlethat the police are the communityand the community are the police.And we police by consent.And policing by consent is, for us, understanding what is that?What is it that our communities want from us as a policeservice?So community cohesion for me is, as far as a police service,we need to be understanding our communities.

    • 11:04

      UMER KHAN [continued]: We need to be out there.And policing by consent means that weneed to involve other communities in our decisionmaking.So when they give us that empowerment, that consent,to actually apply some of the laws,which will restrict people's libertiesthat we do so with the support of our communities.

    • 11:23

      SIR PETER FAHY: Well, often people in the pasthave talked about community relations.And it's sometimes seen as something whichis almost pink and fluffy.It's sort of a nice thing to do and to meet peoplefrom other nationalities and do cultural things.But actually, it's a lot more serious than thatbecause if it goes wrong, there are very serious consequencesand issues like hate crime and prejudice

    • 11:44

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: and have a massive impact on people's lives,and clearly sometimes lead to violence,sometimes lead to murder.People can often be-- they'll say that they're anti-racist.They're not homophobic.And you can be very passive about this.For us, you have to be active.You actually have to be out there tryingto build community cohesion.

    • 12:05

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: And, particularly, be willing to haveopen and sometimes difficult conversations about issueswhich may be causing tensions and misunderstandings,and being prepared to stand together, really,to confront extremists who want to put that communitycohesion at risk.

    • 12:20

      UMER KHAN: If there is conflict within the communities,often, from my experience, is whenwe have experienced conflict, we have notbeen able to get, buy-in and support from our communityleaders, simply because we never had the links.So it's important that we have good relationswith other communities during the good times.So if the bad times do come along,that we can call upon those links.

    • 12:41

      SPEAKER 1: It's an honor that we'vehosted so many people today from different communities,different religions, and I just hope, wellwe hope that everybody's taken something with them.We hope that they've enjoyed their stay hereand we hope that they take something home with themas a memory.

    • 12:55

      SPEAKER 3: #westandtogether.

    • 12:57

      UMER KHAN: I believe that policingneeds to change and adapt.And I think the old tactics of public hoarder shieldsand helmets is probably not the way forward.For me, having tried it, in many ways as a public quartercommander previously, I believe that nowengage in winning the hearts and minds is what, for me,it's all about, really.

    • 13:19

      UMER KHAN [continued]: If you look at the conflicts around the world--Afghanistan Iraq-- and we had all the firepower.We had all the resources.We've had all the manpower.Yet still, we struggle to make a dent in the ideologies there.So it comes back to the hearts and minds.And I think community cohesion at Manchester,Greater Manchester, nationally is the same thing.

    • 13:41

      SIR PETER FAHY: It's also trying to be positive,and say, we have something very special here.We have core values about respect, about respectfulof the Lord, democracy.But one of our most important values, I think, in Britainis live and let live.That I'm quite happy for you to practice your own religion,your own background, your own cultural norms,as long as you're trying to thrust it down my throat,

    • 14:03

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: really.And I think that's the attitude of most people.But, again, it's part of the British cultureoften to not celebrate that, not to be open about that.And really part of what we do is to actually say, no, come on.We actually have to celebrate our diversity.We have to say that we have got something very specialin this country, particularly in citieslike London and Manchester.And we are an example to other parts of world.

    • 14:26

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: [CHANTING IN ARABIC][Live and let live][CHANTING IN ARABIC]

    • 14:42

      MUHAMMAD SHABBIR SIALVI: Toleranceis something that is the foundationof any successful multicultural and multifaith,multireligious-- any society with multiple dimensions thathas to be an element of tolerance. [Muhammad ShabbirSialvi, Head Imam, Golden Mosque]If this is withdrawn or taken from that society,we see things happening-- horrendous thingslike the Holocaust, like other atrocities.

    • 15:07

      MUHAMMAD SHABBIR SIALVI [continued]: I was in Bosnia recently, the massacre at Srebrenica.Things like this happen when tolerance is taken outof that community or cohesion is taken out of the community.

    • 15:16

      JONNY WINEBERG: Bringing people togetherfrom different backgrounds is an incredibly important thingto do. [Jonny Wineberg, Vice Presidentof Jewish Representative Council of Greater Manchester]What you're trying to do is get peopleto understand each other better and respect each other better.It's going beyond just tolerating people.It's actually wanting to talk to people,wanting to be with people.And what that does on the ground isit prevents a lot of difficulties where people

    • 15:37

      JONNY WINEBERG [continued]: actually don't understand, and thereforestart to confront each other in very negative ways.FR.

    • 15:42

      PAUL DALY: We all live in the same burrough.We all live on the same planet.We need to live harmoniously together. [Fr.Paul Daly, Parish Priest, Heywood]And sometimes misunderstandings give birth to prejudice,which give birth to hatred.So we have to break down those often simple misunderstandingsby getting to know each other and each other's culturesand beliefs.It's food shared together, so getting

    • 16:03

      PAUL DALY [continued]: to know different people.And also being present when other people are prayingis just very spiritual and powerful.

    • 16:14

      UMER KHAN: Policing is not about getting rich.It's about getting enriched.And for me, policing has taught me many things.It takes away your focus from being, fulfillingyour desires and your aims, to actually fulfillingthe needs of others.And that's what policing, for me,has taught me in my experience is that when you help fellow

    • 16:38

      UMER KHAN [continued]: human beings, that's when you get the massive satisfaction--the buzz that you cannot get in any other way really.

    • 16:46

      SIR PETER FAHY: I'm actually very hopeful about the futureof diversity in Greater Manchesterbecause young people get this.Young people do not have the prejudices of my generation.They're growing up in a very different society.And they socialize.They communicate in a very, very different wayacross social media.So I actually think it's extremely positive.It's extremely positive.

    • 17:08

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: And you see great examples every single day of this happening.But the threat is from world defense.The threat is from extremists.The threat is that we must prize this and cherish it and nurtureit.We mustn't allow events in other parts of the country,we mustn't allow extremists in this countryor abroad who want to spread division for their own aims,we mustn't allow them to win.

    • 17:28

      SIR PETER FAHY [continued]: But overall, I think because of the strength of diversity,because of those common values, because of the waythat young people are relating to thisin a totally different way, I'm very, very hopefulabout the future.

Police & Collaborative Working: We Stand Together

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Police officers and members of religious communities discuss community policing in Manchester. The 'We Stand Together' campaign highlights positive aspects of diversity and encourages people of different faiths and backgrounds to learn and meet each other.

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Police officers and members of religious communities discuss community policing in Manchester. The 'We Stand Together' campaign highlights positive aspects of diversity and encourages people of different faiths and backgrounds to learn and meet each other.

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