Counseling Supervision 1

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    • 00:06

      [Counseling Supervision][Professor Rod Goodyear University of Redlands]

    • 00:11

      ROD GOODYEAR: Supervision is really an opportunityto develop and try out skills under the watchful eyeof someone who understands what you need to be doingand helping you get there.It's interesting because it has layers of complexityso that you need to be focusing on the therapy process

    • 00:34

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: and what's going on there, but you've alsogot this extra layer of what's happeningbetween you and the supervisee.It's the complexity that's interesting intellectually,and then I guess the personally satisfying part is watchingyoung professionals develop.

    • 00:55

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: And in some cases you see some fairly rapid changesin behavior, and it just feels rewarding to see that.In today's session, Brenda's a student in our program.And we haven't really had much interaction,but she does know of my interest in supervision,

    • 01:18

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: and she was interested in gettingsome consultation about a particular casethat she presented.So what I'd like to do today thenwould be-- you've got a video, I understand,of a college undergraduate who's volunteered to bea client for this project.Tell me a little about her.

    • 01:39

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: What kinds of characteristics and what impressions you had.And then particularly, what would be helpfulas we worked together today.

    • 01:49

      BRENDA: OK, perfect.So yes.So she's a Caucasian female.She's a senior in her undergrad program.She came in as our initial session for the project.She seems to be well grounded in what her long term goals are.Didn't necessarily present with any concerning symptoms.

    • 02:11

      BRENDA [continued]: However, if I were to continue working with herI would like to possibly explore morethe idea of being able to expressher emotions in a healthy way.I got the impression that she kind of guardsher feelings a little bit.

    • 02:28

      ROD GOODYEAR: Brenda, you were sayingthat you're impression was she couldbe more effective in expressing herself emotionally.Give me an example of what you're--

    • 02:37

      BRENDA: So definitely during the sessionwe spoke about a health conditionthat her mom is currently struggling with,and I think not expressing her feelings-- this issort of a protective barrier.It kind of keeps her from facing reality.I think definitely one of the things that we could work on

    • 02:60

      BRENDA [continued]: is in reviewing that part of the session where we're discussingher mom's current health concern because I hadmy own personal struggles with that,so I would like your professional input on that tooif that would be possible.

    • 03:17

      ROD GOODYEAR: Let's-- is it queued up?[VIDEO PLAYBACK]-My mom was having a health problemwhen I was in third grade.She had breast cancer.And at that time I couldn't really understand it,so I don't think I was very upset about itbut knew what was going on.

    • 03:37

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: But currently she is going through--or she has like pre-cancer---OK.- --so she's going through surgery but no chemo.[END PLAYBACK]

    • 03:49

      ROD GOODYEAR: I think it's really important,as I said earlier, about getting behavioral observationsof supervisees that is important we see what happens.And both for pedagogic reasons that you can douse as teaching moments, and also, as I said,for client care reasons.And there are different ways to approach that.

    • 04:11

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: I think one of the tensions in supervision itin terms of direction is between giving the supervisee completevoice in where you're going versus havinga sustained direction.And so I think it's important to havesome sense of a contract with the supervisee of what you'reworking on so that they understand

    • 04:32

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: the skill set you're expecting.And as they have deficits you're monitoring those from clientto client so that you remind them of it.And because this was the consultationwe didn't have that piece.The other thing that I think is also important,and what you saw in this particular tapewas more about the supervisee coming in with their own issue

    • 04:55

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: that they'd like to present.And I think for learning reasons that's really an important parttoo.And I think that's pretty conventional in supervision,that the supervisor will ask the superviseeto come in with something about their workwith a client that was puzzling to themor interesting in some way.

    • 05:17

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: Something that-- it's a learning opportunity.So I very much let the superviseedecide what that'll be.

    • 05:26

      BRENDA: Why I showed you that is because the minutethat I asked her if there was something that was currentlystressing her-- the session had gone pretty well for the mostpart, and it was during this momentwhen she began talking about the current situation with her momthat she became, obviously, very upset and she's very hurt.

    • 05:49

      BRENDA [continued]: However, she doesn't express these emotionsto other people, and--

    • 05:55

      ROD GOODYEAR: So she is reacting with tears to you.

    • 05:58

      BRENDA: In a way that I wasn't expecting that either.

    • 05:60

      ROD GOODYEAR: Uh-huh.

    • 06:01

      BRENDA: So that kind of caught me off guard,and I'm not sure that I was as effectiveas I could have been with her.

    • 06:09

      ROD GOODYEAR: OK.So say more about that.What--

    • 06:13

      BRENDA: What I struggled with wasthat it had been two days since I had attendeda funeral from a person that lost her battle to cancer, so Ithink--

    • 06:22

      ROD GOODYEAR: Oh, my.

    • 06:24

      BRENDA: --that was particularly hard.It kind of triggered something in me,and I'm not sure if I was as objectiveas I could have been with her.

    • 06:33

      ROD GOODYEAR: So what's your senseof what the effect was in terms of your behavior with her?How did it affect what you did with here?

    • 06:41

      BRENDA: I might have asked a couple more questions than Ishould have just because I don't feellike I was as sensitive as I could have been just because Iknew that it was hard for her to express herselfand for me to drill her with questions.

    • 06:58

      ROD GOODYEAR: And so you kept it at more of a cognitive level,it sounds like, than really pushed her to explore.

    • 07:04

      BRENDA: Right.

    • 07:04

      ROD GOODYEAR: Is that it?

    • 07:06

      BRENDA: Yeah.

    • 07:07

      ROD GOODYEAR: OK.Can we see some more?

    • 07:08

      BRENDA: Sure.[VIDEO PLAYBACK]-And for you to have to experience it again at an olderage, you can definitely see things through a differentperspective---Yeah.- --and you actually know what the meaning of breast canceris.And the positive thing about this is that it's being takencare of, and it's--[END PLAYBACK]

    • 07:28

      ROD GOODYEAR: So I kind of feel like you'rebeing reassuring to her there.

    • 07:31

      BRENDA: Mhm.Yeah.

    • 07:33

      ROD GOODYEAR: And how does that feel as you look at it now?

    • 07:35

      BRENDA: I think reassuring is fine,but I think I did too much of it because I was mostlydoing it for my own comfort because I was noticing her--

    • 07:45

      ROD GOODYEAR: Right.

    • 07:46

      BRENDA: --uncomfortableness.

    • 07:46

      ROD GOODYEAR: And you just had this funeral twodays before or whatever--

    • 07:49

      BRENDA: Mhm.

    • 07:49

      ROD GOODYEAR: --so it's still a bit raw for you too.

    • 07:51

      BRENDA: Yeah.

    • 07:52

      ROD GOODYEAR: The other thing I'm struck byis-- and it's still too soon to really think itthrough entirely, but-- so mom hashad this diagnosis of cancer, is kind of writing it offas not all that big a deal, dad pulls her aside thoughand says, yeah, it kind of is.

    • 08:12

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: Mom's worried.

    • 08:13

      BRENDA: Mhm.

    • 08:14

      ROD GOODYEAR: And so it's tough to know how much of thatis a family pattern where the family rules arethey don't talk about those scary things,or whether it's mom going through a period of denial.So it's tough to sort that out just yet, but the effect on heris the same.

    • 08:34

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: She just doesn't have permission to talkabout something that just scares the heck out of her.

    • 08:39

      BRENDA: Yeah, I completely agree.

    • 08:41

      ROD GOODYEAR: You'd asked about the relationshipin supervision.It's really the key piece that holds it togetherthat in therapy we have some literature showing that-- veryconvincing literaturr-- that the quality of the relationshipaffects outcomes very directly, and in part the relationship

    • 09:03

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: is part of what the therapy's about.In supervision, the relationship isn't so muchthe causal action to accomplish what you need,but it becomes the context.And there's a lot of literature showingthat poor quality supervisor relationships yieldspoor quality supervision.

    • 09:23

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: [VIDEO PLAYBACK]-Went out to lunch with my roommate, and she--I didn't know the results yet, and she told mewith my roommate who I did tell yet, so that's not awkward.But she said it so nonchalantly.That's kind of like that's how the style of thisis right now, so it's kind of weird to me.

    • 09:44

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: -And did you let them know--[END PLAYBACK]

    • 09:47

      BRENDA: So that just kind of reiterated what you said.

    • 09:50

      ROD GOODYEAR: So what a telling episode.She comes to campus, has lunch with her and her roommate,her friend, and drops the cancer diagnosis on themas if it was nothing.

    • 10:01

      BRENDA: I did address that maybe the fact that her family's nottalking about it as much sort of makes the subject altogethersomewhat taboo.

    • 10:09

      ROD GOODYEAR: Uh-huh.

    • 10:10

      BRENDA: So I did address that, and so she kind offelt the same way about it.

    • 10:15

      ROD GOODYEAR: OK, so we need to wrap it up now,and I guess before we do I'm curious whatsome of your takeaways are.

    • 10:23

      BRENDA: It brought to mind being a little bit more self awarein terms of what I'm feeling at the moment,and how it might be conveyed during the counseling session.

    • 10:34

      ROD GOODYEAR: And you're speaking particularlyto the way this was triggering your own--

    • 10:39

      BRENDA: Right, and the--

    • 10:40

      ROD GOODYEAR: --reactions to the--

    • 10:40

      BRENDA: Excessive reassuring.

    • 10:42

      ROD GOODYEAR: Yeah, OK.

    • 10:43

      BRENDA: Yeah.And just the importance of having different peopleto consult with, and being able to get a different person'sperspective.

    • 10:54

      ROD GOODYEAR: Well thank you, Brenda.

    • 10:56

      BRENDA: Thank you, Dr. Goodyear.

    • 10:57

      ROD GOODYEAR: I've enjoyed it.That's her first placement, so she's stillat that very early stage.So I think some of the technical skillsare really important to be polishing with her.I made a few comments on a couple of those.I didn't want to overwhelm her with information to seem picky,

    • 11:21

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: but I was aware of those.And if she and I were to work togetherwe'd refine her skills a bit more, and thento help her think about where she's going with the clientand how that's informed by her own personal reactions.So those were all pieces of what I wasthinking as I worked with her.I think I'd be very interested in continuing

    • 11:44

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: to work on skills.It's a little bit at the micro level.I think she asked a lot of closed questionsand really took responsibility for the session in a waythat I think with other work she would shebe able to give back to the clientby putting more of the burden on them to move it forward.

    • 12:06

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: And I think another piece I'd wantto work with her on is allowing yourself to dealwith more affected material.And what I understood where two things affecting this session.One is she was unlikely see this person again,so I think she was being careful not to open uptoo much with the client.

    • 12:27

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: And then the other piece was that part-- this kind ofgets into the personal stuff with her.It's hard to know how much also the fact that again, shewas affected personally by the cancer diagnosis, and justthe recency of just bouncing off of some stuff with a friend whodied.I think supervision is-- I think of it

    • 12:52

      ROD GOODYEAR [continued]: as three spotlights shining.One spotlight is on skills and strategies.Are you doing the right things?Another is how you're thinking about the clientsand about what's going on between you.And then that third part, the personhood piece,which is about how you as a person are responding.

Counseling Supervision 1

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Counseling supervision is an opportunity for a budding counselor to work with a mentor. Counseling supervisees are assisted in identifying a therapeutic direction in their own practice and developing and refining their professional skills. This film follows professor Rod Goodyear and his client, Brenda as he assists her in assessing her counseling skills.

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Counseling Supervision 1

Counseling supervision is an opportunity for a budding counselor to work with a mentor. Counseling supervisees are assisted in identifying a therapeutic direction in their own practice and developing and refining their professional skills. This film follows professor Rod Goodyear and his client, Brenda as he assists her in assessing her counseling skills.

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